Comments on: Crisis vs. Process https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/ A view of heart holiness as my understanding is currently evolving. Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:19:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.29 By: Jason S https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-19 Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:09:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-19 Wes said..”I’ve always said that slavation is not something that just happens in one moment, it not getting a ticket to heaven and walking away, ‘saved.’

The problem Wes is that you are confusing sanctification with justification. Justification is an act done by God where He declares an individual “not guilty” so to speak and thus is freed from the penalty of sin. This is a free gift from God that is appropriated through faith in the atoning work of Christ and is not something that someone works to attain.
Sanctification does have two aspects to it. One is God setting aside an individual as holy and the other is God continuing to transform us in to the image of Christ.

I hope this clarifies things for you.

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By: WES ELLIS https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-17 Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:17:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-17 Your approach is inspiring. I’m gald you approached it with the “both-and” answer. It’s been a struggle for me to convey my thoughts on the nature of sanctification. I’ve always said that slavation is not something that just happens in one moment, it not getting a ticket to heaven and walking away, ‘saved.’ It has something to do with how we live our lives and it has something to do with now. It’s not just believing in Jesus but it’s following Him, engaging in His mission with Him at our lead. Both-and is a good answer.

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By: Maryellen https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-15 Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:01:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-15 My conversion happened in many steps.
First, I realized how far I had fallen from my Catholic, moral upbringing, that I had broken all but one of the commandments – and I prayed for forgivness. A day or two later I came to the realization that the Enlightenment I had been seeking was to be found in the Bible, and I started calling myself a Christian. Later someone asked me when I had gotten saved, and my first answer was that I was saved when Jesus died on the cross, No, they pressed, when had I been born again. My answer was, “if you mean when did I make a committment to make Jesus the Lord of my life, lets say Here and Now.”
A few months later, I actually went up front at an alter call, just to be sure I had accomplished all the steps necessary to actually become a Christian…but as far as growing, working out my salvation, falling and being picked up by a loving father who dusted me off and set me on my way again (and again and again), yep, it is an endless process.

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By: joshua https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-14 Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:52:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-14 I meant to say 14 almost 15.

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By: joshua https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-13 Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:48:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-13 I only wish that I could point to a specific point when I starteed my relationship with Jesus Christ. However, I can’t. I know that I was about 6 or 7 years old when I did, at that point I didn’t have a whole lot to “change” in my lifestyle. The date and location are wonderful things to know, but I don’t think that they are absolutely necessary. The time when I settled the Lordship issue is more clear because I was older, but it is similar to my conversion experience in that I can’t specify the date and location. I was about 14 almost sixteen. I finally decided to answer God’s call to ministry for certain, I knew I had first recieved the call when I was about 10 years old at Promise Keepers. In summary of this. Knowing the specific dates is a great thing to remember and to record, that’s not how it works all the time though, and I am evidence of that. I think that my ambitions about life have been markedly different and I have grown much since I have settled the Lordship issue. The “Crisis part of it I think comes when we first decide to let Christ mold our lives to be more like him. The Process part lasts a whole lifetime.

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By: Pastor Art https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-12 Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:29:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-12 Instantaneous or maturing? That is one of the questions that has torn at the fabric of the righteous robe given us by Christ.

Scripture speaks to both. We are told that we are no longer slaves to sin however we are also admonished to continue in what we have received in Christ.

The need to understand the two aspects of Salvation; “justification and sanctification” embodies this question. Those who see these as an one time closed occurrence seem to struggle with the implications of “maturing” in Christ. The fruit of the Spirit Paul speaks of just hangs on the tree and the crisis of faith becomes a plan to endure instead of pruning to sweeten the fruit. However the pattern Scripture reveals to us appears to overtly and as a hint underlying many of its teachings to indicate the duel nature like two witnesses. This dual nature of birth and growth would seem to be the lesson behind such teachings as after converting one must become like a little child or seeds are put in a field and the maturity of the growth determines harvest outcome, both implying a starting leading to maturity. Even at the close of the Bible we are told that the righteous will continue and the unrighteous will continue increasingly, implying maturing.

If we take Scripture seriously man is inflected with two types of sin. The root or “original” bestowed upon us as inheritance from 1st Adam, and the fruit “habitual” growing and cultivated by us from our inheritance. Mankind lives out in our dissipating condition the creative fruitful inclinations formed in us by Yahweh.
Coming to Yahweh through Jesus; justification cuts at/out the root destroying the “life flow” so to speak, of sin. As the ways of nature show us even when the root of a tree is cut the fruit can still fall to the ground and reproduce itself. It would seem that this is what Jesus is speaking about in Matt.12:43-45 & Luke11:24-26 reflecting Lev.26:21 in the section of warning about turning away. Once the root is cut and dieing the tree is removed from its former place, the ground is made ready for the new tree. The fruit of the “Fallen” tree can be planted or the fruit of the “vine – dresser” the Father John 15 can be planted in the swept out house, to mix the teachings.

The flow of Scripture uses this picture of seed, growth, and maturity of fruit and it would appear that the aspects of sanctification are embodied here. Restored to the Garden relationship with Yahweh and having His Spirit living in us as 1st Adam once did we are able to cooperate with our Creator receiving the inheritance of the 2nd Adam; life over death. However we as 1st Adam stand at the foot of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But at this point we have seen and tasted the mature fruit of that tree. This could get long , but the point is once we are freed from the slavery of 1st Adam we are free to turn and eat the tree of life and bear the fruit of that tree leading to entire sanctification. Without the root of evil’s cutting and the new planting from a new fruit the same old tree would grow, therefore both and.
Pastor Art

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By: Bob https://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/crisis-vs-process/#comment-11 Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:54:00 +0000 http://heartholy.kevin-bowser.net/?p=155#comment-11 You’ve made a great start with your blog, Kevin. I pray that it be a conduit of blessing for everyone who reads it, and also for you.

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